Wherever there is... a distortion of type caused by external influences, the individual from then on becomes more or less neuroticized, and recovery is possible only through discovering (diagnosing) the individual's natural mindset.
Augusta's observations confirm that such distortion always occurs whenever people do not have partners with complementary psychic structures, and that each partner "tries to turn the other into their dual," with the possibility of developing various neuroses.
What do you think about this?
I was thinking about Smilingeyes' idea of changing types within a temperament, and how I've always thought that you could stretch in either direction away from your most natural type, but at some point you tend to rebound back. If you didn't then there would be a constant instability, no natural state. And perhaps that's possible, but it doesn't seem likely. Long-term in one type should at the very least make it a habit that is hard to break if there is no natural stability. If external influences are distorting your type, perhaps that would cause neuroses, since you'd be unable to rebound back.
Thoughts?
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Um, well, considering I've already stated my neuroticness before :D
I look back on when I was less than 8yo...and I was very definitely NeFi. Then my parents got divorced...and I was still NeFi (and pretty oblivious/naive). And then the abuse started. At that point my survival (no exaggeration) depended upon a heavy awareness of Fe and Ni. I'm talking hyperawareness. Eventually, I began getting fed up with the stuff and started fighting back...at least mentally. Though a few times physically I'd defend myself. My father is SeFi...also with a Ti polr. And I began doing sneaky devious things to get even. (I mean, if I'm going to get beat for every little thing, I might as well do some damned big things!!) At this point, one could say I developed some TiSe. And after realizing that TiSe supervise SeFi...the things I did actually make sense now. (Please don't ask for details as it pulls up a huge amount of negativity and very icky feelings to think back on those times.)
But despite all this, I was still NeFi to the core. Even those betan functions I was having to use were first approached through NeFi.
Later, after I finally ran away, the hyperawareness of Fe and Ni caused a lot of trouble. This, I believe, is what lead to the PTSD stuff, the nightmares, the flashbacks, the wanting to run away and hide or fight at the slightest hint of a possibility. And the jumping back and forth from NeFi to a symblance of TiSe (when in self-protection mode). This, I believe, is what lead to the diagnosis of borderline.
As time has passed and as I've worked on overcoming many of those issues, and since I finally met someone who doesn't put pressure on me to be something I'm not (except for us having to ban politics from the home)...and he provides a supportive environment, I'm finally being able to settle back and relax into me-ness....of NeFi.
"Augusta's observations confirm that such distortion always occurs whenever people do not have partners with complementary psychic structures, and that each partner "tries to turn the other into their dual," with the possibility of developing various neuroses. " Yes. I think this could happen. And this would cause the "victim"(let's just call the person whom is being made to change the victim) to be very tired. I think it is tiring to use functions that you're weak at or don't value. IME, it causes a person to feel inadequate for obvious reason; the person is seeing so many flaws in me, perhaps I'm doing something wrong, perhaps I should change, I can't please the person, etc. I think this is worse in closer relationships. And when they decide to "improve" themselves, it exhausts them easily, and well, just not themselves. And it may cause neuroses?
neu·ro·sis /nross, ny-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[noo-roh-sis, nyoo-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, plural -ses /-siz/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[-seez] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation. Psychiatry. 1. Also called psychoneurosis. a functional disorder in which feelings of anxiety, obsessional thoughts, compulsive acts, and physical complaints without objective evidence of disease, in various degrees and patterns, dominate the personality. 2. a relatively mild personality disorder typified by excessive anxiety or indecision and a degree of social or interpersonal maladjustment.
The explanation I can think of off feeling for "physical complaints without objective evidence of disease", is that a person could use that as an escape, a distraction, and over time, this could be manifested physically. The person seeks a distraction from the possible stress the relation is causing and experience this.
I can't imagine people changing types, because I haven't seen it happen. The functions that people value, from what I've seen, don't change, judging from my memories of people when they were younger to present.
However, I think most of these misconceptions of people changing types is just a lack of understanding of themselves, or possibly the theory. Like how I used to think I'm an introvert. But I wouldn't say my type changed.
I haven't been able to ever nail down a consistant type for myself. It sucks, sort of. Or at least it can be frustrating the once every couple of months when I care to take another stab at it. The clusterf uck of prejedices, conflicting understanding, and focuses within our socionics "community" doesn't help one bit. Nobody is immune from it. There's too much of online communication that's ambiguous or flatout absent. It requires that we fill in the blanks with preconceptions of people. Ugh, it's a mess.
Types I can accept as possible for myself (in no particular order): ISFp, ENTp, INTj, INFp, INTp, ISTp, INFj, ENFp. lol it's a cow from every county. Some people are sure that I'm this, or can't possibly be that. Whatever *eyerolls*. In my experience the people who say those sorts of things are always focused on one specific side of my behavior that they've latched onto. I'm not a friggin two dimensional cartoon damnit.
Anyways, [/rant] what was this topic about again?
oh yeah, can type change... well, show me how a type is clearly there in the first place and maybe then we'll talk...
Not so much can type change - but what happens when you're forced to act contrary to your nature over a period of time - like what ann described.
And only if type is flexible and instable could it change permanently with no damage, but if it's describing something that is part of your nature a type change would be a change in something pretty basic to a person, which would wreck havoc. So either it's something superficial and flexible, and therefore completely meaningless, or it's decribing something intrinsic, and any change in type would be a pretty big deal. Right?
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Not so much can type change - but what happens when you're forced to act contrary to your nature over a period of time - like what ann described.
And only if type is flexible and instable could it change permanently with no damage, but if it's describing something that is part of your nature a type change would be a change in something pretty basic to a person, which would wreck havoc. So either it's something superficial and flexible, and therefore completely meaningless, or it's decribing something intrinsic, and any change in type would be a pretty big deal. Right?
I'm always torn with this question. Types are supposedly shorthand for how people metabolize information. So on that alone, would could say that theoretically, a person could learn to metabolize information differently. And I'm pretty sure that medications and such can alter what information a person notices...and what they do with it. And I've a strong feeling that even chemical/hormonal changes within our bodies can alter the above process as well.
However, from personal experience, despite the things I had to do, it was always approached first from NeFi....as if in order to get to it I have to open the NeFi door to access everything else....and when I bring it back through the door...it goes through a transformation process. Even to the point of there being delays or headaches if I don't take the "proper route". (note that this is after the fact observations....i do notice a lag time in my responses when I have to do things differently from what comes natural, though) So, I recognize that I, myself, kept to NeFi. But that outside observations of me and my actions could suggest a type change.
I think it's...truer... to say something like "people's perceptions of types change far easier than a person's type could actually change".
