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for those who haven't read up on the four turnings thing it's a theory about generational differences and how they shape and are shaped by society and the different phases it goes through. There's four generation "styles" and each is ruled by a certain archetype. Well as GenX we're supposed to be the Nomads. Highly adaptive type of people who are supposed to be best ones to live through the crash and re-emergence of a new societial order (the last nomad generation were the ones who lived through WW1 and the stock market crash of the 30's.)

Anyways... lately I've been noticing more and more how there's is this nomadic homeless culture of GenXers around, all around my age. Being me I can easily be mistaken for homeless when walking around, and to be quite honest I probably would be were it not for my rich parents letting me be a bum in their house.

The thing is that there's a really good aura between "us" and a sort of "all of us are in this together" feel that comes across when I talk to people like this. For instance a few weeks ago I was out of smokes and money so I was walking around the Safeway cruising ash trays for big butts. This guy from the shadows yells out "you need a smoke man?" and I was like "sure". "you know how to roll your own?" "Yup, that's one skill I've deffinately got :)"

So we get to talking, he of course assuming I'm homeless like him. He's a good guy... lets me roll up three or four smokes out of his little pouch of tobacco and he lets me know, "It's cool... I've raided ashtrays a million times :)" He starts telling about his favorite places to go looking for them, the nightclub across the street... these other stip-malls. I let him know my favorite spots... the ashtrays by the AA meeting place... the back alley by this other strip mall. He tells me the best places to sleep... on the rooftops over by those office buildings, cops can't harrass you up there and he's even got a little shaded area set up with an old blanket as a tarp. I felt a good connection with this guy. Like I said above, it was like we were in this together... we'd both experieced the same things generationalwise. We both expected this world we're living in to crash down around us and were prepared in a sense. We didn't need society as it is... we didn't need money for smokes... money for apartments... we didn't need a roof over our heads or a place to call home besides where we were right then and there. We were in a very real sense nomads. And it was a good feeling... We belonged to something bigger.

What made me think of this was just now as I was out at the same store again, this time buying some smokes instead of foraging them. There were these two girls sitting out in front of the store, one of them in a wheel chair. Her friend was checking out the sky and there was that connection again. Out of all the people coming out of the store she talked to me, I guess because I look like her kind of people. "Do you think it's going to rain?" she asks. I tell her "nah... I doubt it, I didn't see any clouds or nothing looking like they were waiting to move in once the sun went down." "Well I just saw some lightening. Two of them!" "Hmmm I wouldn't worry about it, but if you need some shelter there's a good spot over by the AA meeting place, it's covered and kind of recessed so the cops can't see you if they pass by" "really? cool. We'll deffinately head over there because I'm just not trusting these lightening bolts."

It was a good feeling... a connection. Even though I have a nice air conditioned house, with a pool, and parents I can occasionally bum smoke money off of, I'm the same as these people. When/if things finally fall down we'll be able to survive. We know a different world, an American third world if you will. And we don't just survive, we thrive in it. In a world of people complaining about falling morals, drug addicts and homeless problems, people not careing for eachother anymore... We're all family.

"You got a smoke?" I take out five and give her the rest of the pack. "Wow, are you sure?" "Yeah I'm sure. What comes around goes around, ya know?" and I leave with a smile and warm feeling in my heart.

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-- Edited by Bionicgoat at 06:10, 2007-08-22

-- Edited by Bionicgoat at 09:14, 2007-08-22

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awesome story!

the time i lived in the mountains mucking out mines....
the local homeless people would get together once a week and have a potluck type thing.
Basically whoever happened to get a decent haul would buy the meat and invite everyone to their camp, and the rest of us would bring whatever we could afford. I swear those were the times when we all got to eat our fill finally and have some good companionship for a few hours.

though, i was pretty much the baby (youngest) of them all who were pretty much in their late 50's or over...so the generation thing didn't apply to me. :)

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Nice story Bionic. smile  So, GenXer's are nomads?  Where does GenX start and stop, do you know?  I like the idea of being a nomad though.  What's the generation after?

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Diana wrote:

Nice story Bionic. smile  So, GenXer's are nomads?  Where does GenX start and stop, do you know?  I like the idea of being a nomad though.  What's the generation after?



supposedly the current nomad generation covers people born between 1961-1981. Those in the center best reflecting the "nomadic" archetype (but all of us in a sense being nomads no matter when we were born)

The Lifecycle of the NOMAD Archetype

We remember Nomads best for their rising-adult years of hell-raising (Paxton Boys, Missouri Raiders, rumrunners) and for their midlife years of hands-on, get-it-done leadership (Francis Marion, Stonewall Jackson, George Patton).  Underprotected as children, they become overprotective parents.  Their principal endowments are in the domain of liberty, survival, and honor.  Their best-known leaders include: Nathaniel Bacon and William Stoughton; George Washington and John Adams; Ulysses Grant and Grover Cleveland; Harry Truman and Dwight Eisenhower.  These have been cunning, hard-to-fool realiststaciturn warriors who prefer to meet problems and adversaries one-on-one.  They include the only two Presidents who had earlier hanged a man (Washington and Cleveland), one governor who hanged witches (Stoughton), and several leaders who had earlier led troops into battle (Bacon, Washington, Grant, Truman, and Eisenhower).

A lifecycle outline:
As NOMADS replace Prophets in childhood during an Awakening, they are left underprotected at a time of social convulsion and adult self-discovery. 

As alienated NOMADS replace Prophets in young adulthood during an Unraveling, they become brazen free agents, lending their pragmatism and independence to an era of growing social turmoil.

(added by me: we're somewhere around here right now as a generation) 

As pragmatic NOMADS replace Prophets in midlife during a Crisis, they apply toughness and resolution to defend society while safeguarding the interests of the young. 

As exhausted NOMADS replace Prophets in elderhood during a High, they slow the pace of social change, shunning the old crusades in favor of simplicity and survivalism.

after us comes the Hero archetype who's ready to do battle for the "new" order and against the previous political institutions to rebuild a strong society of affluence to last through the next cycle of turnings (the generation that fought in WW2 as an example). It's interresting that you can see this emerging in the mindset of some of the younger people on the 16t forum. Heath for instance who has a strong belief that the system should work and think that we should all behave and be socially responsable, to fight to save the future. Whereas GenXers are more about just surviving and making it through day-to-day. It's really interresting stuff... I suggest cruising the website to read about.  

http://www.fourthturning.com/html/fourth_turning.html

-- Edited by Bionicgoat at 09:05, 2007-08-22

-- Edited by Bionicgoat at 09:09, 2007-08-22

-- Edited by Bionicgoat at 09:17, 2007-08-22

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In a certain sense we're also the ones best able to make the hard decisions and send/lead the heros off to die to protect society when we hit middle age. Personally I think that there are sort of two divisions of the Nomads. Those who are like me, who make the wrong decisions, die from overdoses, and basically teach the lessons for the others through our mistakes. An interresting feature of the Nomads is their conservatism and pragmatic outlook on things like drugs and social problems in their later years. I think we learn this from the mistakes of our peers that didn't make it. It's also where we get our resolve to do what needs to be done.

-- Edited by Bionicgoat at 08:20, 2007-08-22

-- Edited by Bionicgoat at 09:06, 2007-08-22

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It sounds really interesting when you talk about it - but some of what you quoted from their site has a fluffy esoteric feel to it. Their site isn't loading for me right now.

I do agree that there seems to be different mindsets among different generations. I'll have to try the site again later to see if it loads so I can comment.

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I don't know if I'm interpreting it all right or not. lol anyways... it makes me feel better about seeing so many people my age being homeless around here :)

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I always knew I was a Hero, but naturally assumed this was the result of propaganda from Mr. Rogers rather than an innate, cyclical tendency of human nature. Cool.

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when were you born Elro?

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1986

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you're cuspy but a hero still then... which sounds cooler to you? Nomad or hero? personally I'd much rather be a nomad smile

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I dunno, none of the four seem to fit me brilliantly. Then again, I am still (sort of) young and stuff.

Here's an excerpt from Wikipedia's entry on Gen Y:
"Generation Y is also commonly referred to by their own peers as the Apathetic Generation. This term is used by both peers who are activists against such apathy & the apathetic nonactivists themselves. Adding to their sphere of awareness, there is an Americanized notion wherein daily television and internet news reports seem to make it clear that the world has so much wrong with it that each individual couldn't possibly take on every problem; while at the same time being aware that if they neglect the presence of world injustice, it will actually have no direct effect on them. Leading sometimes to either an observed melancholia or the tragically myopic standpoint that one does not have to care about the injustices we are not directly affected by. This standpoint is a general and consistent criticism of Generation Y, often describing them as "inconsiderate" or "unaffected". See Generation C for opposing viewpoints."
I agree with this; I've noticed it in my peers and sometimes in myself.

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I wonder if kids born more towards the middle of the Hero generation feel the same way. Maybe this stuff is all bull****... lol I still liked my story though and I think I might try to pick up on that homeless girl if I see her again. She was kind of cute (but probably pretty out there... lol there wasn't a cloud in the sky last night smile)



-- Edited by Bionicgoat at 03:22, 2007-08-23

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The 'connection' is cool - sometimes I get the feeling that the world would be a better place if people formed relationships at super-speed, and people didn't argue over some really trivial details smile - but people see day-to-day encounters with strangers as potentially dangerous and time-consuming, so tend to distance themselves from others while going about their 'essential' business doh.

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